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Thoughts on Historical Ratings

In the next couple of days, I will be posting a list of the greatest LPGA players of all time.  At different times over the last two years, I've been working toward this goal.  It started by researching individual seasons (going back to 1950) to rank the best players in each.  Then, surprisingly, came the difficult part - determining how to turn those results into a comprehensive ranking of players across all eras of the LPGA's history.

When you're trying to figure out who is better than whom, Bill James taught me that you must first decide if you are trying to rank players by their peak ability or by the value of their career accomplishments.  I decided that for golfers, the best method to use would be the latter.  A player's peak season would often be very difficult to nail down (try doing that for Juli Inkster or Joanne Carner) and even if you managed to do it, you would wind up trying to convince people that Debbie Austin was as good "at her peak" as Pat Bradley or Donna Caponi.  The golf world already looks at career totals above single seasons to identify the greats anyway, so swimming against that current would be more than futile.

Star-divide

I started by taking my yearly player rankings and awarding points for where each player finished.  I've awarded points down to position #30 in the past and decided to stick with that method.  While this is a logical process, there are a couple of problems with applying it across so many seasons: 

First - as you go back in history, the amount of available data diminishes.  Going back to 1963, I was able to find all five stat categories necessary for my system.  As I went back further, information started to disappear - missed cuts went first, then scoring averages and finally the money list aside from the yearly champion.  I had to develop an alternate system using the info I did have.  Consequently, I was winding up with very few players to rank at all - with just victories, major titles, top 3 finishes and the money champ to go on, some years had data on only 10 players.

Second - There are signs in the data that absolutely prove the position that the LPGA has gotten more competitive over the years.  Because of this, my original process of awarding points by seasonal position resulted in the rankings being totally dominated by the stars of the ‘50s and ‘60s.  This point is not even debatable - more than twice as many players register at least one Top 10 in a season now as compared to back in the ‘60s.  The players who rate around #30 for a given season now generally collect four or five of them.  The players around #30 in the mid-60s were lucky to have more than one.  In the ‘60s the typical season would see 10 different winners.  Now we regularly see 17 to 20.  One stat The Constructivist came up with shows this same trend - the percentage of the total Tour purse that players at #30 now win is much higher than the percentage those players won forty years ago.  You can make these same comparisons at position #20, #40, wherever you like - the results are the same.  The only part of this subject worth debating is how much value we should give to each position in the seasonal rankings as we go back through time.

Third - that last sentence.  I will NOT completely wave off the accomplishments of Kathy Whitworth, Mickey Wright, Betsy Rawls or Louise Suggs just because they didn't have thirty extra players around who had the ability to compete with them.  In 1968, Kathy Whitworth had probably her greatest season with 10 victories and 29 Top 10s in 30 starts (read that twice for full effect).  She did not run unopposed - Carol Mann also won 10 times with 27 Top 10s in 32 starts while Mickey Wright won four times in only 12 starts.  I certainly think Whitworth earned her #1 ranking in 1968.  I also happen to believe that #1 ranking wasn't as difficult an accomplishment as Lorena Ochoa's #1 in 2008, nor as difficult as Dottie Pepper's #1 in 1992 or Nancy Lopez' #1 in 1979.

To reflect this in my all-time rankings, I started with my 30-player 100-point scale.  As I went back into each previous decade (except at 1962 when the loss of data forced me to roll back there), I either eliminated five slots at the bottom or subtracted points from Player #1 and adjusted the scale accordingly.  The net result is that Mickey Wright's #1 in 1958 is worth only 80% of a #1 in the 1990s or 2000s and only ten players that year received points.  In between, I could have picked other boundaries to make the changes besides the decades' ends or could have made more of them to lessen the blow of each but I believe the scales are fair.

This method has one noticable shortcoming.  If a player dominates the season finishing miles ahead of her nearest competitor ala 2005 Annika Sorenstam, she still only gets 10 (or in early seasons, 15) more points than Player #2 - the same as if the margin were miniscule.  I don't believe that the rankings would come out much different but perhaps in a future version of this list, I'll address that issue.

To sum up - after determining the points for each season for each player, I've simply added them up to generate the list of the greatest.  You'll find that it matches up well with the selections of the LPGA Hall of Fame.  The exceptions are for players like Babe Zaharias and Betty Jameson, ones whose careers began prior to 1950 or even the founding of the Tour.  Their positions on my list are not meant to make light of their abilities or their importance in the development of the LPGA.  I'm sure there will be others you disagree with - isn't that what making these kinds of lists is all about?

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Back in the early 50’s there were less than 30 women pro golfers. If you look close at the data for the early 60’s it seems there were about 60 players and the payout was for about 30 players so the money distribution was significantly different than today. The number of golfers increased through time and as near as I can figure it was about 1975 before a significant number of tounaments had cuts. The players played the whole tournament and about half made money and the rest got no money. Using your system pre 1975 you would have to treat not winning money the same as not making the cut.

by tatkins on Jan 6, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

monkey wrench

Thanks tatkins – I had noticed that the cut numbers in the early ‘70s (and further back) were very low. Since you brought it up, I checked a little closer. The numbers at LPGA.com show for example, that in 1972 Mary Mills (a three-time winner) made 21 cuts in 24 starts. I took that to mean that she missed three cuts. A quick check of Golfobserver.com shows that Mills withdrew three times. I checked on a couple more players that I had docked points for MCs – the data at LPGA.com and Golfobserver.com don’t agree. Shoot me for relying on LPGA.com as my primary source!

So now what? I’m going ahead with my All-Time list based on the data I’ve already entered, which means I’m assuming that the occasionally incorrect MC data won’t change the seasonal rankings enough to matter. Of course I will correct my base data in due time.

by hound dog on Jan 6, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

one more thing

Do I automatically assume Golfobserver is the better source? How do I know it’s data is more accurate than LPGA?

by hound dog on Jan 6, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

GolfObserver

I’ve noticed that the stats for the LPGA have changed. If you click on career low or career high round you only see the low or high round that occurred in a tournament in which the player missed the cut. I wonder why that changed. Was it out of kindness to the players eliminating the link to a listing of all of their worst rounds on tour?

by jlowroller on Jan 6, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The Best Source

I do not know which is the best source, because there are obvious errors in the Golfobserver data as well as inconsistant data in the LPGA website. I believe the LPGA data treats it as a missed cut if a players withdraws after starting a tounament and does not count any tournament in their data if the player withdraws before starting the tournament. I think it should count as a missed cut if the players starts the tournament and withdraws.

by tatkins on Jan 6, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

I agree...

…I think counting tournaments finished may be a better comparison—or, rather, completed tournament rates. From what I’ve been able to tell, the LPGA counts WDs after the player has started the same as missed cuts. That’s what I do when I rank the young guns….

by The Constructivist on Jan 6, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If they do count WDs as MCs in a roundabout way

that causes me a different problem. In seasons where I have added up the missed cuts myself (2007 and 2008), I haven’t been counting WDs as additional MCs. I originally was counting some of them but quit doing that early in ‘07 because I didn’t want to arbitrarily count some of them and not all. There is occasionally a WD by a player who did make the cut (or would have most likely had they kept playing).

What do you think? Should I go along and count the WDs too?

by hound dog on Jan 6, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

one quick check...

…would be to look at the .pdf career/bio pages for a few players and see if their MC #s match yours. One thing that would make the performance stats page you can get to off each player’s page more useful would be to tally up MCs, WDs, DQs, and top 20s along with starts, top 10s, and wins.

Personally, I think you should count everything except DNSs as “missed cuts.” They get no money for their troubles, whenever they WD, right?

I’m going to have to go back and check some of my #s, too. B/c now that I think of it I’m pretty sure that I counted as DNSs some WDs that had all 0s for scores—where in fact if you WD during the 1st round they erase whatever score that might therwise have been posted.

Nah, I think I’ll just wait till it’s time t start my ‘09 rankings, when they’ve (finally) updated those .pdf files I mentioned at the start of this comment.

by The Constructivist on Jan 6, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

problem is, not all WDs are created equal

While in a lot of cases the player who WDs was going to miss the cut anyway, sometimes they wouldn’t. So I hate to count all WDs the same, but is the time it takes to sort each of them out worth the trouble? Maybe yes, maybe no.

by hound dog on Jan 7, 2009 4:08 AM PST up reply actions  

problem?

What do you do with the problem that someone may have a POY quality season but get beat out for #1 that year? I’m thinking of someone like Na Yeon Choi, who had a better rookie season than either of the 2 previous ROYs (arguably), but was still #2 in ’08, thanks to Ya Ni Tseng.

It’s kind of like the NFL system where the Chargers got in the playoffs with a worse record than the Patriots, right?

by The Constructivist on Jan 6, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

I don't consider it a problem

I consider it a “known limitation”! Seriously – in the cases where that happens, Player #2 gets “cheated” out of 10 points. When you add them all up, those 10 extra points might gain a player one position in the All-Time Rankings one time out of three. As I said in my next-to-last paragraph, I might restructure the points in a future version to reflect the margin between 1-2 – that change would probably affect the Tseng-Choi scenario too.

by hound dog on Jan 6, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

clarification needed

Are you adding up their raw numbers from each season, or assigning a standard point value based on their position in each year’s ranking?

by The Constructivist on Jan 6, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

the latter

I’m assigning a standard point value based on their position in the year’s ranking. If I ever restructure it I would probably use the raw numbers in some way.

by hound dog on Jan 7, 2009 4:04 AM PST up reply actions  

coincidence?

I’ve got a post coming out on the 9th where I revisit that winnings percentage stat to analyze the trends this decade for the #30, #50, #80, and #100 players from the 2000-2008 mney lists (finally getting around to updating that October post).

by The Constructivist on Jan 6, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

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