Greatest of all time LPGA
this is regarding the greatest of all times list.
Hounddog I'm writing about the various "greatest players " lists for the LPGA that you & others have compiled.My main beef is that Kathy whitworth& Nancy Lopez rank so high. My argument about putting them 1&3 is that they never won the US Open.That's why Sam Snead doesn't get mentioned as the greatest male player despite his 82 tour wins.
I also noticed in the recent list of great LPGA rivalries that Mickey Wright didn"t show up. I presume that's because no one really rivalled her.If Tiger Woods retired today his career would roughly parallel Mickey's.About 12 or 13 scintillating years with every one else vying for second.So there's my analogy .Kathy Whitworth=Sam Snead &mickey Wright=Tiger.
I have a hard time deciding who was the most dominating player among the founders.One gets the feeling that the Babe was the best at her best but Berg may have been more consistant & obviously had a longer career.
I think the two players that dominated their peers most & for the longest duration were Mickey Wright&Annika. They should be 1&2. I'm not sure what order.Maybe that will be my next blog.
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LPGA Greatest All Time - US Womens Open
The US Womens Open is without a doubt the most important tournament for the women to win. But to suggest that because a player did not win the tournament that you can ignore all the tournaments that the player won is totally ludicrous. My list has Annika Sorenstam at 1 and Mickey Wright at 2 with Kathy Whitworth at 3 and Nancy Lopez at 4. Of the LPGA Founders, my rating system shows Louise Suggs to be the highest rated founder. Babe Zaharias had a short LPGA career because of her death from cancer after two surgeries for cancer. She might have been the best player but she did not prove it with her limited career and the length of a players career must be a factor in any meaningfull rating system.
Regarding taktins comment , I am not ignoring Whitworth & Lopez as great players because of their failure to win the Open, I am simply saying they are not the first & third greatest ever.Jones, Hogan, Nicklaus & Woods all won multiple Opens.Sorenstam & Wright won Opens .Samras , Laver & Federer wonU. S. Opens as did
Evert,,Navritilova,&S. Williams.Heck ,Norm Duke Earl Anthony & Walter Ray Williams won Opens.If you want to be in the conversation for the title of “Greatest ever” you need to win the U.S. Open.
Tennis (mens and womens), bowling and mens golf are not the same as womens golf
and the idea that one has to win one particular tournament in any sport to be considered among the greatest in any of those sports is incredibly ludicrous. There is no one tournament in any sport that is that important. Hound dog has a system for calculating the greatest player. His system discounts the records of the earliest women golfers because there were so few players in the early days of the tour (as it should). I think he discounted too much in his latest version so that Mickey Wright is rated too low. The British Open (golf) and Wimbledon (tennis) are older tournaments and have more tradition that the US Opens and many people outside the US would argue that those tournaments are more important and there is some merit to their argument.
If Whitworth and Lopez are not third and fourth then whom do you argue should be.
third&fourth best
I have no problem with Kathy Whitworth as the third greatest of all time. Despite her failure to win the Open,she had decent success (for an immortal) in the other majors,winning 6 times.She was the best player of her era.
For #4,I’d go with Karrie Webb.She’s won all of the majors,which I consider the seminal accomplishment in professional golf.Her record in the regular tour events is excellent also.
Webb is rated sixth and deserves to be rated no higher.
Lopez won every year from 1978 through 1993 (sixteen years) except for 1986 when she only played four tournaments due to pregnancy and childbirth. In the last six years Webb has not won in four of them. One more win in any of those years would have moved Webb to fifth. Webb could get to fourth place if she continues to win, but to date she has not done enough to pass Lopez. My rating system and Hound Dog’s system include more than just wins. It also evaluates how a player does in all tournaments played. You must be new to this site and not read all of the things that go into rating the LPGA players.
wjh1
Since you are new to this blog, I would suggest that you go to to my Dec 16 fan post titled “LPGA Best Of All Time Ratings- Where Does Your Favorite Rank” to see how my ratings are calculated. I have yearly ratings on over 1000 players and a career rating on 449 players that have each played over 100 tournaments. The green " 2010 All-Time Player Ranking" under the title is a link to an Excel spreadsheet that shows the ratings for the 449 players.
Annika head and shoulders the best.
Annika won against an international field of tremendous depth. No one else has ever been close to as dominant.
No disrespect to the Mickey Wrights and Whitworths and Bergs…but they had nowhere near the level of competition. The LPGA was a small group of Americans travelling around together. Even the competition in the USA was limited because most talented women wouldn’t play the tour. They were expected to be moms and not play sports. Times have changed and the competition is infinitely tougher.
Annika is rated #1 in my system
The increased level of competition is why in my rating Annika’s 72 wins are better than Mickey Wright’s 82 and Kathy Whitworth’s 88. However, it is a gross exaggeration to say the competition is infinitely tougher. If you could take the best players from each decade at the top of their game and have them play each other the results would be very close. Not all but a lot of the best women players based on amateur records did play on the LPGA after it was founded. As a matter of fact, a number of the best founded the LPGA. Look up the winners of the U.S. Women’s Amateur, the Western Amateur and the North And South Amateur in the 1940’s and later.

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